Category: Geeks r Us
yeah yeah yeah I've been told it doesn't work, but I want to know if anyone has had the balls to try it I would really like some proof here and if it does work I will most certainly try it for myself, I just didn't want to reinvent the wheel here. Anything to get away from this sluggish thing, I mean, I purchased this computer to be resourceful, not food for vista sheesh. If not xp 64, has anyone had luck getting a xp 32 disk to install on a toshiba and get passed the copying windows files on that big blue dos screen? for me it just blue screens on me I don't know why like I get a BSOD. I'm thinking it doesn't like my hdd configuration as it is sata and may need to disable native sata support in the bios in order for it to work but am not sure about this.
Knux Dude, it can get past the sata thingy, if you have the sata drivers and entegrate them using N Lite. I don't have a Toshiba, but I know taht it can be done, or just change sata to ata, and it should install normaly. I know it works with the dell that way, but not sure about Toshiba. When that screen comes up, I think you can press f6 to search for the drivers, or you could load them from floppy disk, but who uses taht anymore?
Knux Dude:
I'd say try to NLite the SATA hard drive drivers, using a xp 32 bit .iso image. I don't have the system necessary to run xp 64 bit, if I did, I would run it and tell you if it worked with Jaws 64 bit beta. Keep in mind that XP 64 may or may not work with XPLite. How much ram does that machine have anyway? Is It really more than 4 gb? If it is, then use XP 64 bit, if not, use XP 32 bit.
I have 4 gb of ram, and can handle 64 bit. I might just disable sata support in the bios and try it that way, but as I said, I'm not even sure what the real issue is, if that is it at all. I have heard that performance is much faster overall ona 64bit system rather than running 32 bit because of algorithms being processed faster. I know xp has really shitty 64 bit support but this arises another question. Can I run 64bit only aps on 64 bit or can I use 32 bit aps, and if so will they run just as slow as they did before? I would probably say yes to that last question because in xp wmp and IE are both 32 bit I don't know why and rest of the system is 64. I really have no other place to turn to as far as finding out who else has tried this issue just people that can't speak english and god who knows what they are talking about.
I so would love to use win xp 64 with jfw 64 if anyone has taken the plunge.
As for your issue regarding the SATA support and win xp freezing
Get in to the BIOS
You should see a setting that states something about integrated hard drive controler or onboard device settings
In there, there should be AHCI and I bet you its enabled
If so, I would disable it, as it does not make practical difference in performance
Then you can change it to ATA unless you have the sata support through f-6 floppy
To be honest, I don't notice much difference of ATA mode from SATA mode
The transfer speed from hd to hd is the same
I assume that you are using vista
by default AHCI is enabled in the bios and shutting that off will save you a lot of headaches unless of course you have the ahci drivers from intel
Also, shut off the integrated ram, as windows xp does not support ready boost
Tests have shown the intel's integrated ram of 1 gb or so doesn't make much difference either.
Hope this helps
Thanks, SKPoet, I can always count on ya to give a helpful answer! I'll check it out, and if that works which i presume it will, then it will just be the fact of getting my drivers to work once installed. I was fixing another laptop which had vista on it and it was a toshiba satelite. I could boot with xp and install just fine but once installed and after I installed some drivers from vista, the machine just crashed into an endless rebooting cycle, where half way thorugh the xp logo screen it quickly blue screened. I am having a fear that this same thing will happen, and am hoping that your advice will fix this, though I'm unsure how that would be related in any way to drivers...but I will give it a try soon and get back.
What has been your experience with using vista drivers on xp?
Thanks billions!
I have not used any vista drivers on an xp machine. This is why.
Vista and xp are very different in design coding wise.
Vista was design from the ground up, as it were, and although it has some semblance of xp, it is not alike at all. Yes they have recycle some of the code from xp, but all in all, it is very different. Vista was originally known as longhorn and was toted to be the next best operating system, and a pride of bill gates. This as you may know, has been anything but. It was such a disaster that they had to spend 10's of millions of dollars to advertise on the perks of vista. If you have seen the mohabi project, you'd know what I mean.
To be honest, know true techie would even lay a finger on vista. None of the ITs that I know of on all levels have vista.
Yes it may have perks for consumers, but the stuff that you'd jump through to make devices that the techs know simply works on xp, is too much time to adapt to vista.
Some people love it, but by in large, people are against vista. If not, why would Microsoft scramble like mad to try to ramp up the sales?
Xp is stable, perhaps vista may get there some day, but I doubt it. Afterall, they are going to release a new operating system to the public fairly soon here. Then vista will just be another ballooned windows mME.
Btw, its vary important that you get drivers especially written or modified for windows xp. This is because some components will not work at all with a vista driver on a windows xp OS.
E.g. I removed vista from my m1330, but was careful to make sure that all my drivers were xp compatible.
Research, research, research before anyone attempts to upgrade a laptop from a vista OS to an xp OS.
I've looked all over the place and have not found hardly any drivers for xp for my laptop perhaps someone could help me out finding some of these the model is a toshiba qosmio g55 q804. I would be installing xp pro preferably and I just found out from the fs website apparently jfw standard 64 works with xp home 64, but jfw pro 64 does not work with 64 xp pro/go figure this makes no sense. I have decided against it running 64bit anyway considering that it has been known to have big issues. Yes, we all know vista is a failure which is why I'm trying so hard to get this thing removed without making any mistakes. perhaps you can assist. a google on why it blue screens did not yield anything useful. as I said, when I tried googling for the drivers all I got were people not speaking english.
I am sorry to report that there is very few drivers that are compatible for the components on the toshiba qosmio g55 q804 model. It is very possible that toshiba has a contract with MS not to incorporate components that can be compatible with win xp. In fact, many of the computers' components now-a-days are not compatible, unless the software engineers make it particularly so.
I have done as thorough search as I had time for, 30 mins, and found it to be lacking.
May haps someone else can succeed at finding the drivers.
Man, the Dell Inspiron 1525 has all the drivers, including chipset drivers, sata, touchpad, graphics, sound, wlan, you name it, they have it.
Yes, that is what I figured, as my research came up the same results. However I was shocked to see on the FS system requirements that Jaws standard 64 will work with xp 64 home edition but not pro, I really don't understand that. I suppose I should give up, unless I really wanted to try hacking xp pro 32 to encorporate all the vista drivers and then install it that way. I suppose I should just put this to rest then..
Yeah, that's one thing I like about Dell, all drivers are there. And, there usually not that hard to find.
I think if the manufacturers web site does not have the drivers in their downloads section the chances are that you won't find them. I've heard Toshiba are, in fact, very lousy when it comes to customer support, part of the reason why I've avoided their machines (of course that's of no use for someone who is trying to make one work).
Is Vista really that awful with 4 gigs of ram, what type of processor (sorry if I didn't read original post well enough or can't recall).
Our computer professor in university (well one of them) said in general you can count on every other version of software being awful, first the software is released with minimal feature sset that works, then once it's stable the coders go all nuts to add cool features and that's incorporated into the next version, which, as it turns out, sucks because there's too much stuff. The third vrsion fixes then what was missing from version 2. It seems Micosoft isn't quite this regular, seems more like every third version is awful, Windows 3.1, ME and Vista. I'm hoping they've lernt their lesson and the next version will be at least half of what their advertizing machine cranks it up to be. I was fortunate enough to attend the very first work group meeting for longhorn (as an intern at their accessibility group). I know for a fact they got some incredibly talented people and they had huge ambitions. I truly don't understand how it all went wrong, but I am still convinced those people can come out with much better software platform than Vista ever was.
So, best of luck, try installing any Vista patch may be, their service packs were supposed to make some improvements.
cheers
-B
This machien runs ok but still locks up from time to time. here are the specs of the machine
Intel core 2 duo running at 2.0 ghz processor is a p7350 chipset
4 gb ddr2 ram
1066 fsb
320gb hdd at 5400 rpm wish it was 7200 might be part of my problem
Not bad for a laptop, and the thing never gets hot. I did say, never, gets hot. Microsoft is awful and I may just say screw it and format with linux once I graduate, just in case I need windows for something. I've already verified Fedora works with all my hardware including wireless. I can be more productive, anyway..
hd speed has nothing to do with it
Btw, the reason why I referred to the possibility of AHCI being on was due to your stating that the
OS would hang at boot during boot and/or installation if I recall correctly.
AHCI has a lot to do with that as your hard drive interface is directly affected by the mode in which you set it.
What is affecting you, is the driver to your components. The driver alone, either to your wireless card, your chipset(Very Important!), video card, etc etc, is conflicting on your system resource level.
Its crucial that the driver and the hardware that it is designed for have a perfectly smooth and friendly handshake. If not, you get symptoms such as, freezing consistently, suddenly and abrupt reboots at sparatic or periodical intervals, causes system sluggishness, and others. Of course, I too am describing unfriendly software as well, but that is a whole different horse all together.
I am not seeing how wireless has anything to do with the install itself of xp, but I am hoping that the Sata/ahci feature is the culpret. As I've said, I'm probably just going to drop it, I don't need anymore headaches then what I already have. I didn't think HDD speed would be a problem either. If anyone else wants to persue this feel free but unless I get back with the confirmation of the ahci feature int he bios I'm not sure there is anything else one can do.
Thanks skypoet
I do have a question though, how do you boot from CD using the newer bios? I remember on my old machine, which was a Dell Demension 3000, the only thing I had to press was f12, and f4 to boot into IDE device. , and then it would say press any Key to boot from CD…and it would work but actualy, I'm going to reformat and put XP on this laptop, I know it works, ahve a friend that has the same Dell laptop that I have
Dells new bios have not changed in that respect.
You can still hit f-12 to select from boot devices
Took Pista off this comp 3 days ago and put XP pro on this thing, and works well! In in Fact, the processor doesn't drain the battery as much. Took it about an hour to install every thing. Had all the drivers on the disk + the OS so it was good to go .